Chatting About The Fraud of Virology With Sol Luckman

I recently had the honor of speaking with Sol Luckmam about the fraud of virology and the corruption of the scientific institutions. We also discussed the role of controlled opposition as well as the false bioweapon angle currently spreading as a theory for the rebranding of the symptoms of the flu. It was a very engaging conversation and I really enjoyed the interview. I hope that you are able to get some value from our discussion!

You can find more of Sol’s excellent work at his site:

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  1. I really enjoined your interview Mike.
    Surely you will remember when Montagnier said:”And characterised as a retrovirus not only by its visual properties, but also biochemistry, RT [reverse transcriptase] activity which is truly specific of retroviruses. ”
    We already know that RT activity is not specific of a retrovirus. Eleni Papadopulous already said that. In a recent article here below we can find more evidence that RT activity is not specific of retrovirus, and that the human Polimerase theta is very similar to HIV RT.
    The paper was published in 2021 Jun
    “Now, Thomas Jefferson University researchers provide the first evidence that RNA segments can be written back into DNA, which potentially challenges the central dogma in biology and could have wide implications affecting many fields of biology. ”
    Polymerase theta repairs DNA, but is very error-prone and makes many errors or mutations. The researchers therefore noticed that some of polymerase theta’s “bad” qualities were ones it shared with another cellular machine, albeit one more common in viruses—the reverse transcriptase. Like Pol theta, HIV reverse transcriptase acts as a DNA polymerase, but can also bind RNA and read RNA back into a DNA strand.
    In a series of elegant experiments, the researchers tested polymerase theta against the reverse transcriptase from HIV, which is one of the best studied of its kind. They showed that polymerase theta was capable of converting RNA messages into DNA, which it did as well as HIV reverse transcriptase, and that it actually did a better job than when duplicating DNA to DNA. Polymerase theta was more efficient and introduced fewer errors when using an RNA template to write new DNA messages, than when duplicating DNA into DNA, suggesting that this function could be its primary purpose in the cell.”
    I was curious to see were they got this “viral” HIV RT, so I read in the original paper that:
    “HIV RT RT52A optimized for x-ray crystallography was provided by Dr. E. Arnold”
    Then I looked up for this HIV RT RT52A and in another paper I found out that it is a recombinant enzyme expressed in E.Coli :”Recombinant RT52A enzyme was expressed in E. coli BL21(DE3) Gold cells upon induction with 1 mM IPTG at an OD600 ~ 0.8-1.0.”
    But, finally, how can we sure that HIV RT RT52A comes from a HIV virus if this HIV virus has never been isolated?
    It seems that all of these HIV RT are produced in the same manner, from a plasmid expressed in E.Coli, NOT from a REAL virus. Have you already tried to look for this kind of information? In your opinion where this HIV RT enzyme came from? Form me is from human, like the quite similar polimerase theta

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    1. I have only delved into RT briefly when looking at the conversion of RNA into cDNA and its role in PCR amplification. It seemed clear to me from just a curosry look that RT is a synthetically created enzyme. This is what I wrote:

      “So what exactly is cDNA and how does one go about creating it? The theory to explain cDNA relies heavily on the “virus” fraud as the only way for cDNA to exist is either through the use of reverse transcriptase, an enzyme created through the “natural” processes of “retroviruses” as they hijack host cells (i.e. fiction), or as synthetically engineered DNA in a lab using the synthetically created reverse transcriptase (i.e. fiction). In other words, the only way cDNA exists is through the use of a fictional enzyme from a fictional “virus” either created from cell culture in a lab or through synthetic means by RT-PCR.”

      From the source in the article:

      “Virologists eventually did find one such exception. Retroviruses were discovered to have mechanisms for “reverse transcription.” This means that they can take RNA chains and produce DNA chains from them. In this way, during reverse transcription, information flowed backwards from RNA back to DNA. DNA that arises from this process is called complementary DNA (cDNA). cDNA is either produced by some viruses or synthesized in laboratories.”

      The fact that they claim RT is created by “viruses” told me everything I needed to know. Just as “viruses” are nothing more than lab-created soups, it seems that RT is nothing more than substances created from that soup.


      1. I understand, but Dr. Lanka said that: “I was wondering what viruses are for in evolution, because they didn’t seem to have any function other than to be very dangerous and killing other cells. So I went into evolutionary biology and found that the first genetic molecule of life was RNA, and only later in evolution did DNA come into existence. Every one of our genomes, and that of higher plants and animals, is the product of so-called reverse transcription: RNA transcribed into DNA.”
        So, according to Dr. Lanka, It seems that RT enzymes really exist in nature, like Polimerase theta, and they were then assigned to viruses for convenience in order to create a scary story about HIV and other so called “retrovirus”.
        You can also find this information in John Blaid’s website:
        “RNA comes into existence before DNA, it comes into existence on its own. Since that seem to be the case then DNA cannot be “the book of life” – 1
        DNA is a result of RNA transcribing into DNA by an enzyme called transcriptase when the normal metabolism has been stable for a certain amount of time ”
        Researchers surely use engineered enzymes in their lab experiments, like plasmid inside E.Coli, but, according to Dr Lanka and John Blaid, appear that such enzymes play a key role in every genome construction. What do you think about that? An interesting topic to me.

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      2. I would have to research the origins of both DNA and RNA more in depth to say conclusively but from conversations I’ve had with friends who have been investigating the origins of these concepts, RNA and DNA and their functions are as theoretical as “viruses.” The science behind their discoveries is just as faulty as that found in virology. They create chemical reactions and fabricate stories to explain the reactions as they can not observe these processes or entities physically in reality.


      3. Really interesting. In fact, while I was reading the process of “human” Polimerase theta purification in the original paper linked above I was thinking something like this:”How is it possible that all of these complicated and esoteric alchemical processes result in a real purified protein as well as the one originally present in nature and in every human beings?”
        Here the procedure:”The gene encoding Polθ (residues 1819 to 2590) was codon-optimized and cloned into the pSUMO vector to generate a sumo fusion that carries an N-terminal 6×His tag and a PreScission protease cleavage site. Polθ-expressing E. coli Rosetta(DE3)pLysS cells were cultured at 37°C in LB medium until optical density at 600 nm (OD600) reached 0.3, the growth temperature was then lowered to 16°C, and E. coli cells were further cultured. Protein expression was induced by the addition of 0.1 mM isopropyl β-d-thiogalactopyranoside when OD600 reached 0.7 to 0.9. E. coli cells were cultured at 16°C overnight and harvested by centrifugation. Cell pellet was resuspended in buffer L [50 mM Hepes (pH 8.0), 500 mM NaCl, 0.005% (v/v) Igepal CA 630, and 0.5 mM TCEP]; lysed by sonication or French Press in the presence of DNase I (20 μg/ml), RNase A (30 μg/ml), 5 mM MgCl2, 2 mM CaCl2, and 1 mM phenylmethylsulfonyl fluoride; and then centrifuged at 12,000g for 45 min. 6×His sumo fusion was captured by Ni-NTA agarose gravity-flow chromatography followed by a series of washes by buffer W [50 mM Hepes (pH 8.0), 500 mM NaCl, 0.005% (v/v) Igepal CA 630, 0.5 mM TCEP, and 10 mM imidazole]. Five milliliters of buffer L and Precission Protease was added to cleave Polθ from the 6×His tag by staying overnight at 4°C. The cleaved Polθ was eluted another two times by 5 ml of buffer L. The eluted protein was purified to homogeneity using a HiTrap Heparin column (GE Healthcare Life Sciences). The protein was concentrated to 5 mg/ml in a buffer of ammonium acetate (150 mM), KCl (150 mM), tris-HCl buffer (pH 8.0) (40 mM), TCEP (2.5 mM), and glycerol (1% v/v).

        It seems to deal with sorcerers and magicians who speak an incomprehensible esoteric language. Like the alchemists they aspire to transform lead into gold. I remember what Harold Hillman said about these complicated methods and techniques used in biology: these methods almost all the times change the properties and the appearance of all the substances, cells and organelles originally present in nature. These techniques create a lot of artifacts.
        Could you link some of your friends paper that investigate the fiction about DNA, RNA and their Polimerase?

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      4. Exactly. The sample is put through so many processes with various damaging chemicals added to it that there can be no way to claim the end results of any of the RNA/DNA experiments have any basis in reality.

        My friends have been going through the original papers but I do not currently have access to the papers. If you have FB, you can reach out to either:

        Dr. Jordan Grant

        Microbiologist Stephanie AJ

        They have looked into the origins far more than I have.. I’ve been mostly focused on the “viruses” themselves and the fabrication of the genomes. I hope to explore the origins of DNA/RNA more in the future but I haven’t really found the time yet.

        Here is an interesting critical review of DNA that may also be helpful:

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      5. Analogous to how the “SARII-Cov19 virus” is the product of computer sequencing made with the “template” provided by an alleged bat coronavirus, its structure itself being the product of computer sequencing. I forgot if it was you, Mike, or Sol, who said “A figment created by a figment.”

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  2. Thanks for this, and for your work, Mike. You and Sol raised a question about Robert Malone and jabs development. See here
    “Malone describes in detail in the Sept. 26 interview an August 5 Washington Times op-ed he wrote with former Trump administration member Peter Navarro. Navarro was one of the leads of “Operation Warp Speed.”

    Among the many head-scratcher statements Malone and Navarro make in that op-ed is that the Covid shots are “good at preventing severe disease and death.” They also say that the Delta variant is “highly contagious,” that the vaxxes’ serious adverse events are “rare” and that the short window of vaccine efficacy is “most alarming and perplexing.”

    Their overall message is that mass vaccination should be halted and that instead be replaced by “individual vaccine choice” and the use of other agents ranging from the combination of high-dose famotidine and celecoxib to zinc supplementation.

    This fits perfectly with World Health Organization’s Access to COVID-19 Tools Accelerator’s four-pillar approach of “diagnostics, treatment, vaccines and health-system strengthening.””

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    1. Thanks! I’m glad you found the interview useful! 🙂 It is clear to me that Malone has an agenda and a stake in promoting the “virus” lie. He is allowed to speak as, like you said, it fits their agenda. He keeps people that are questioning the narrative from leaving the lie and discovering the truth.


  3. Mike,
    That was an excellent interview. You briefly discussed the Gain-of-Function research and the bioweapon labs. Could it be that virology is a cult and the Deep State truly believes in their own lies? Wouldn’t it be “hilarious” if the Deep State truly believes an (imaginary) bioweapon leaked from Wuhan? That’s probably not the case, but I wouldn’t rule it out either.

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    1. The Deep State is made up of individuals who are not uniform in their thoughts, all reading from exactly the same pages. There may be some, particularly lower rungs, who believe in bio-weapons. And the odds are most of them believe in germ theory, that’s how the elite schools train people, what i saw at UC Berkeley (where i worked for over 3 decades). Minds are really captured by mechanistic materialism, of which germ theory is a part and parcel, seeing all phenomena in terms of a machine or mechanism as the descriptive metaphor, rather than organic processes.

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    2. Thank you! Virology is a cult and I’m sure there are some in the DS who believe in it. However, I believe that the people higher up know full well that these entities do not exist. They were able to get everything they wanted using only PCR and propaganda.


    3. I think they do believe in virology, but certain ones also know it’s easy to pin a pandemic label onto any seasonal flu “virus” by using PCR at high threshold values.

      Most of the deep state probably don’t even know about PCR, but they know the people in charge of Public Health scares assure them the science angle of the pandemic agenda will be taken care of and that it is fake.

      They don’t need to know how its done; there are too many fields for the masters to understand them all (climatology? no they just need to gear from their experts that climate change is being vastly overblown for the agenda, not how that trick is played), especially in addition to mastering strategy and power dynamics.

      In general we see them falling for a lot of the same modernist conceits as the rest. They aren’t put their fasting and resting when ill; their bodies are proof of that.

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      1. One can believe virology in general, and germ theory, and still be aware that “the virus” is an invention of a skillful and massive media campaign, that;s true of the media managers who anchor that leg of the operation.

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