Questioning the “Viral” Paradigm With Richard Cox

A few weeks ago, I was privileged to speak with Richard Cox on his Deep State Consciousness podcast, where we examined the “viral” paradigm. It was a conversation that was a long time coming as we had meant to speak much sooner, but scheduling conflicts kept getting in the way. When the time finally arrived, we unfortunately had some technical difficulties, but luckily, we were able to cover the areas that we wanted to discuss. I am excited that our conversation is now available for everyone to listen to. We discussed quite a few topics, including:

  • What made me begin to question the “viral” paradigm?
  • What was my mindset like in 2017 when I started challenging my own long-held beliefs?
  • Are there any diseases where an alternate cause outside of a “virus” is difficult to explain?
  • What is my approach to examining the different “viruses?”
  • What pushback have I received from those defending the “viral” paradigm?
  • What are the particles virologists see under the electron microscope if not “viruses?”
  • What factors outside of a “virus” could have led to disease during the “Covid pandemic?”
  • What is being done to bridge the gap between the “No Virus” and the “Bioweapon” camps?
  • And much more!

It was a fun and engaging conversation that I hope you will enjoy!

Mike Stone is the author of the Viroliegy blog, where he investigates the scientific evidence for the existence of viruses. In this interview I ask Mike about journey into that research, what it’s like to communicate a position most people find so radical and – if the ‘no virus’ paradigm is correct – what on earth that would mean for our belief in a scientific worldview.

Please check out Richard’s site and podcast for more great content and conversations!



  1. Thanks for this, Mike, The recent presentation by Katherine Watt, unofficial CHD “legal expert,” during which she refused to answer questions about Christine Massey’s FOI requests for proof of virus isolation/purification, and to offer details about her theory (which she shares with CHD virus “expert” J.J. Couey) hat “SARS-CoV-2” is a bio=weapon spread via aerosol spraying is quite telling, coming ahead of the release of CHD honcho RFK Jr’s book about “the bio-weapon.”

    By the way, the type is now very hard to see, very light..

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  2. I saved it for later. I like that you are straight, as yourself, and exercise a critical self-responsibility, not succumbing to the roles that can become distortion filters of invested identity.

    Earlier learning via Dr Edward Calabrese about hormesis and the falsification of science that gave us the LNR basis for ‘genetic damage’ as the postulated cause for cancer that originated as attempts to be first to prove radiation caused mutagenic effects. With huge ongoing implications that dovetail with the active ignorances of ‘virology’ as toxic to health and blocking social economic function.
    (Skip the corporate bookends!).
    Calabrese sees adaptive upregulation resulting from stresses as part of his appreciation of evolutionary biology. We have fear-based bio-insecurity running ‘public health’ as invested con-troll roles – for ‘risk’ can be managed as a grooming of groundless emotionally invested boom (or boost) and bust unless held to true account.

    We see through a mind darkly as through a lens of assumptions that block, filter and distort not just what we seek, but what we can see or even think to ask.

    So by way of a chat wanted to make you aware of this parallel timeline of biases mutating to malfeasance and scientific misconduct -kept under the carpet for all the usual suspects.

    My sense of adaptive biological challenge and growth links with the bacterial realm of symbiotic adaptation of life (as a whole). While I sense coherent domains of structured water operate as energetic in-form-ation upstream to the genetic protein model as ‘biofield’, the following quote holds worthy of sharing in my opinion, and some of what we assign as disease may be a higher order of function that garbage clearance or detox.

    “It may shock you to know that all the world’s bacteria have access to a single gene pool, which has provided an immense resource for adaptation, manifesting an array of breathtaking combinations and re-combinations for three billion years! Any bacterium—at any time—has the ability to use accessory genes, provided by other strains, which permits it to function in ways its own DNA may not cover.

    The global trading of genes through DNA re-combinations provides for almost endless adaptation possibilities. Therefore, what has been done to one has been done to all. Widespread use of antibacterial agents is both futile and disastrous. Future life sciences and medicine will comprehend the more effective use of agents to stimulate positive adaptation of bacteria resulting in chains of supportive symbiosis.

    In the presence of love, these positive adaptations naturally occur. In the presence of hatred and fear, negative and resistant strains of bacteria are more likely. Life forms are ever changing, and yet the basic chemistry of life remains the same. Do not cling to forms that are passing, but seek for an understanding of life that embraces and includes all possibilities. This is accomplished through integrating and expanding patterns and relationships.

    In this way, you will see God as the creative power of life. When I asked that you love one another, I was not just giving you a recipe for human fellowship. This is the doorway to life eternal.”

    (The Keys of Jeshua – Glenda Green)


  3. Good interview. I dove into his other episodes. I must say I find it interesting and a bit odd that he seems very driven to disprove the notion of recovered memories. The unconscious is very real, and enormous. Children will immediately repress anything that is too traumatic to be assimilated. It’s a kind of genius survival tactic. I would also challenge anyone to watch the full Hampstead videos and believe those poor kids had made the whole thing up. Or a long and extremely confronting German doco about French children ritually abused, all of whom said the exact same things despite having never met. But I suppose it’s proof that we’re all on our own journey and come to truths in our own time and way.

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  4. yes “chemtrails” airosols are known to cause all kinds of health problems. from the late 90’s to the early 2000’s when i first noticed “chemtrails” i also noticed out of season asthma problems for me afer multi day heavy spray events! I also noticed that my friends and I would catch “colds” or whatever they were that lingered and lingered and would seem to resolve then come back. sometime for months. Eventually our bodies did clear the crap.

    william thomas as well as leonard horowitz(chemtrail flu) and others wrote about this years ago.

    In the last two three years heavy multiday spraying preceded and coincided with New Yorks “great Covis surges”. coincidence?

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    1. Hi Billy, I’ve noticed the same. It has only become worse over the last few years. My sister-in-law lived in Africa and never experienced the kind of congestion she is currently dealing with until she moved here a year ago. It made her a believer that these trails are no good.


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